Biography

Dr Vera Dondur

Retired full professor of physical chemistry. She spent her career at the University of Belgrade, where she taught chemical kinetics and catalysis, and at the University of Kragujevac, where she lectured on molecular pharmacology.

Her research centered on the physical and chemical properties of silicate and catalytic materials; she managed many projects in the country and abroad.

She was a mentor in dozens of doctoral dissertations and has several recognized patents.

She made notable contributions to the development of the process of production and synthesis of zeolite materials which found widespread application.

She held a number of prominent positions, including the positions of Secretary of State, dean of faculties and president of the National Science Council.

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"Mining Lithium – The End of Life in Jadar" - Professor Vera Dondur on the Consequences of Lithium Mining

We discussed with Dr. Vera Dondur, a retired professor of physical chemistry and one of our greatest experts in this field, the potential consequences that lithium and boron mining could have on our country, health, and future generations, why the Jadarite ore is so unique, and what the key issues are related to its extraction.

At the beginning, I will ask you to answer 5 quick questions with brief answers of one or two sentences, and later we will discuss questions related to your area of expertise. Do you know if there are any plans for lithium extraction on fertile land anywhere in the world?

No. That is not happening anywhere. Why? Because, in fact, mining, especially lithium mining, started in South America in salt flats and is far from populated and rural areas. In Australia, they are also isolated or in mountainous, desert, or dry areas, and they have never been on fertile land. Europe has very few attempts to mine lithium in green areas. So, in fact, this attempt to exploit jadarite in a very populated area on fertile land would, by its capacity and requirements, create an enormous mining-industrial complex that would ruin the entire sector, the entire area, with its presence.

Is it even possible to mine lithium in the Jadar Valley in an environmentally friendly way?
Nowhere in the world is lithium mined in an environmentally friendly way.
Do you think it is rational and long-term responsible to leave healthy natural resources, with an emphasis on clean water and nature, for future generations?
Are you against mining as an industry?
Can any company that would mine in the Jadar Valley guarantee that there will be no leakage of toxic substances and environmental contamination?
Thank you for this introductory part. Now, we will move to the area you have dedicated your scientific career to, physical chemistry, although you have nicely introduced the discussion into the direction of the topic, and to begin with, could you explain whether the Jadar project can be reduced to just mining?
Can you explain what jadarite is, what we know about it, and how unique it is in terms of its structure? What are its key characteristics?

Jadarite is truly a unique mineral. Why? It wouldn’t even be called jadarite if it didn’t have a specific structure and chemical composition. It is a lithium, sodium borosilicate—meaning it contains sodium, lithium, boron, and silicon, as well as oxygen like other minerals—and that’s what makes it unique. However, very little is known about it. From the moment it was first detected until now, only a few scientific papers have been dedicated to it, two of which were focused on its structure to recognize it as a mineral. There are no other scientific papers about it. There are about sixty papers in which it is mentioned as a new mineral, but nothing more. So, in essence, it is a completely under-researched, scientifically unexplored material.

Is the processing of jadarite a complex process?
Can it be compared to any currently known processing methods?

No. Why? Because at the site where jadarite is found, it is actually a fine-grained mineral surrounded by dozens of other minerals. In the ore, there are up to 40 to 50 different elements. So, the mining system to be exploited is very complex. When jadarite is mined, it must be practically purified, with that part of the ore enriched by removing the minerals in which jadarite is not present, as much as possible. However, the ore has many carbonates and other minerals that are not so easy to remove. So far, the company has reached a level where the concentrate can contain 40% jadarite, with 55 to 60% being other minerals, including carbonates. The company plans to break down this concentrate with sulfuric acid, which will require a large amount of sulfuric acid and will emit a large amount of carbon dioxide during the process.

The company has not yet solved the problem of carbon dioxide emissions from this process. Once that happens, a solution is created after treatment with sulfuric acid, which is then further processed. This solution is complicated to further process because both lithium and boron need to be extracted from it.

When the processing process is observed, it is complex because both elements are in the same solution. Lithium is produced in one way, boron is produced in another way, and there is no unique technology for the production of lithium and boron. This would be the first such technology applied in Jadar. What is the problem? The problem is that the company managed to test this technology on a relatively small pilot plant, but with a small sample. And that does not guarantee that it will be able to scale up to such large production, involving thousands of tons of simple separation of lithium and boron and the production of both lithium and boron.

The company itself has experience in producing boron compounds in California, where it has been producing boron compounds for 100 years. It has no experience with lithium and attempted to set up a pilot plant in 2020, announcing that it would extract lithium from the waste it has in California, which consists of millions of tons of waste, and that it would build a plant that was supposed to produce 10 tons initially, and then 5,000 tons of lithium compound annually. However, that project quieted down, and there has been no indication that the project has been realized. A new problem that would arise in the implementation of the Jadar project is that it is not only planned on fertile land but also envisioned as an enormously large mining-industrial complex.

So, can we now underline this point that you just mentioned? Is there anywhere in the world the production of lithium and boron from a single ore?
Does Rio Tinto have any experience in producing lithium and boron from a single ore?
No.
Does Rio Tinto have any experience in producing lithium and boron from a single ore?

No.

Rio Tinto claims that the Jadarite mine in Jadar would be an underground mine, which would mean that the local population would be able to continue functioning normally in terms of agriculture, traffic, and everything else. Does this claim have any basis?

Their claim is filled with incredible optimism and is somewhat unrealistic, to say the least. Why? The underground mine is not designed because they want to preserve nature, but because the Jadarite is located 300 to 600 meters underground, and it must be an underground mine. It is an underground mine in that sense, but will it affect the surface area? I can say, for example, that the daily ore production will be 6,000 tons, and that they will use more than 5 tons of explosives daily. Will it have an impact? Probably yes, to some extent. How large the impacts will be is unknown? Just the extraction field they are expanding underground will be on a surface area of at least 800 hectares. So, something will be happening underground.

This mining-industrial complex is large and will cause unforeseeable consequences even during its construction. Why? Because the surface part of the mine consists of plants and facilities for processing and obtaining lithium carbonate and boric acid. These two plants will be almost entirely surrounded by the small river Korenita, which flows parallel to the Jadar River. It forms a natural boundary for the complex, covering almost 60% of its length. Already in the construction phase, where they plan to remove large layers of earth and raise the level by 4 to 6 meters, which is not at all described in terms of how this will happen, they will endanger that small river, which marks the boundary of the complex with the plants.

The mine itself is such that it is under the influence of underground waters, and continuous mining will mean constant contact with underground waters that are full of various pollutants. They are alkaline, containing lithium and boron. According to estimates, they may also contain arsenic, hydrogen sulfide, methane, and other pollutants. Every day, one Olympic-sized swimming pool of this water would be pumped out of the mine.

A very complex issue when it comes to the underground mine is that the rocks from which the Jadarite is extracted have such a composition that it is expected that there may be collapses of these rocks and subsidence of the surface. This is practically one of the complicating factors, and all mining activities must be such that the moment a part of the space is mined, it must be filled with concrete. An enormous concrete processing plant will be installed in the surface part of the mine, which will continuously pump concrete into the mine. This makes it highly complex. We haven’t even reached the process of processing the ore, which is expected to lead to the final products.

Would all of this that you've just mentioned actually be dangerous to people and all living creatures in Jadar, and does our country have the appropriate standards and regulations to protect the entire area?
So, how would the mine and lithium production in Serbia be different?

It would be special, of course, because when we consider how much lithium Europe would expect from Serbia...

All of Europe, in its plans, would produce around 1,500,000 tons of lithium over 30 years, calculated as metallic lithium, while Serbia would produce about 330,000 tons. This means that we would account for about 18 to 20 percent of the total production. For Europe, this would mean 0.36 tons of lithium per square kilometer, while in Serbia, it would be 3.7 tons per square kilometer.

When we look at how many of us there are and how many people there are in Europe, the ratio is such that our 6.5 million people and their 450 million people are not proportional to how much lithium we would contribute. When viewed per square kilometer, which is very important, Europe would have 0.36 tons of lithium per square kilometer, while in Serbia, it would be 3.7 tons per square kilometer. This would mean the following: Europe is large, and its plans and mines are spread out in the following way. The mine and processing are almost never located in the same place — that's the first point. This entire production would be dispersed across Europe. In contrast, the production here would be concentrated in Jadar, in the municipality of Loznica, and of course, in Serbia. This means that, in essence, we would provide lithium to Europe, while we would be left with pollution.

Along with lithium, you mentioned boron. How toxic is boron, and what has Rio Tinto actually planned to do with it?
We have underground mining, but along with the mine, there will also be a concrete factory, as well as a factory for processing Jadarite and separating lithium and boron. How much waste would actually be generated during this extraction and separation, and what would we do with it?

Of course, as with any chemical production, there will be solid waste, waste emitted into the atmosphere, and waste that would go with wastewater. There's nothing unknown about that. Everything that goes into the production process and doesn’t come out as products will remain as waste. Practically, lithium and boron will always be left behind in the process. For example, the amount of boron would be around 10,000 tons, and lithium about 2,500 tons annually. When you look at this over a span of 30-40 years, these are enormous quantities. Naturally, not all of this waste will immediately go into the water, air, or soil, but it will continuously participate in these processes.

The first and most important thing is that this complex will be demanding in terms of energy consumption. Energy will be provided from electricity, natural gas, and diesel (for transport). According to the mildest estimates, which haven’t been thoroughly made either by Rio Tinto or independent experts, the increase in CO2 emissions will certainly be more than 0.5%, which is a significant contribution to CO2 emissions. Worldwide, efforts are being made to reduce CO2, but here it would be increasing.

Another important issue is that wastewater will contain both lithium and boron. What has not yet been determined precisely by Rio Tinto is the exact data on this. Why? Because Rio Tinto has not created the basic legal document for the exploitation and processing of Jadarite minerals, which is called the conceptual project. This document would provide exact quantitative data on capacity, production processes, emissions, waste quantities, water, groundwater treatment, etc. This still doesn't exist. Based on the materials we currently have from Rio Tinto; solid waste will be significant because the concentration of lithium in the ore is low. Therefore, it has to be large. For example, the tailings deposited will be around 2 million tons annually, and over 30-40 years, these will accumulate, reaching about 90,000 tons. The tailings ponds, where they plan to store the solid waste, will be very large—one of them will cover about 20 hectares, right in the Jadar Valley, directly in front of the windows of the people who are now protesting against the construction of the Rio Tinto complex in Jadar. This is the first tailings pond.

One of the tailings ponds would be 60 meters high. 60 meters is roughly the size of the Saint Sava Temple or a 15-story building, covering 20 hectares. It’s an enormous pyramid—an enormous stepped pyramid that they claim will later be reforested. However, on the land that contains boron, there will be nothing to plant.

The second tailings pond would be located in the valley of the Štavica River, which is a torrential river with many small streams as tributaries. It’s a valley where, on 168 or possibly 170 hectares, the forest would be cut down to make way for the large tailings, which, of course, contain lithium and boron. By global standards, this tailings material would be considered hazardous waste and classified as large-scale tailings. No country in Europe plans for such a large tailings deposit for lithium production; no country, except Serbia, is planning this.

Why does Rio Tinto even want a processing plant right next to the mine?
Are there other mineral processing capacities in our country, and what would be the difference, for example, between processing jadarite and processing lead and zinc?
But did you, as a scientist, have sufficient access to all the documents of Rio Tinto, which would be necessary for a scientific worker to make their own assessments?
How would you generally assess the availability of documents and the transparency of Rio Tinto’s work at this moment?
But where would they even discharge this water?
Jadar doesn’t have the sea.
And does anyone even oversee them at this moment, especially with respect to the exploratory boreholes? And who would oversee that in case the mine opens?
We always talk about Jadar, the most well-known issue of its type. Is there any other lithium deposit in our country, for example, in Valjevo or some other area? What do your data show?
Do you know anything about that, are there permits for exploration or mining?
Would anything change if the state, for example, had a 20% stake in a future mine in Jadar?
There’s something you mentioned at the beginning, and I’d love for you to clarify it a little. If lithium is called the oil of the 21st century and if it’s a resource we can leave for future generations, why are we rushing at this moment when it might be worth much more to future generations?
Finally, what would your message be to your colleagues?

My message to my colleagues is that this is not a personal problem for any of us. This is a fundamental problem. And relying on politicians’ thinking shouldn’t be the way forward. Scientists should rely on what science has always served, which is understanding the future. What is the future? So, I appeal to my colleagues from all universities in Serbia to get involved in this discussion. They don’t have to follow the steps of what someone has already said. We should think, does Serbia need these mines? I don’t think it does, and I think anyone who has ever been involved in real science in Serbia would say the same.

Thank you, Professor Dondur. I hope we’ve helped our listeners and viewers understand and clarify this topic a little better.

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